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Douglas Kent Mansfield
Witness for the People: Guilt Phase July 6, 2004
Direct Examination by David Harris HARRIS: Thank you, Mr. Mansfield. Can you tell us who you are employed by? MANSFIELD: I'm employed by the California Department of Justice. HARRIS: I want to direct your attention back to December 25th of 2002 and ask if, on that particular date, you were asked to assist the Modesto Police Department in an investigation. MANSFIELD: Yes, I was. HARRIS: And on that particular date, did you meet with some detectives from the Modesto Police Department and an individual by the name of Scott Peterson? MANSFIELD: Yes, I did. HARRIS: The person that you know as Scott Peterson, do you see him here in court today? MANSFIELD: Seated between counsels. HARRIS: May the record reflected the witness has described the defendant? JUDGE: Okay, the record should reflect. HARRIS: When you met with the detectives and the defendant, did this all kind of happen together, or at some point in time did you just sit down with the defendant and one or two other detectives? MANSFIELD: I was called to Modesto and was given information about a missing person case; and then I met with Mr. Peterson and Detective Craig Grogan and did an interview. HARRIS: Was it your understanding at that time on the 25th that Detective Grogan was the kind of lead or the case agent at that time? MANSFIELD: Yes, it was. HARRIS: And when you sat down with Detective Grogan, did you talk to the defendant? MANSFIELD: Yes, I did. HARRIS: I want to go through this conversation that you had with him, or this interview. Did you ask him, since you are conducting a missing persons investigation, did you ask him about where he worked, or some family background information? MANSFIELD: Yes, I did. HARRIS: What did he tell you about where he worked? MANSFIELD: He worked for a corporation called Trade Corp, and it was dealing with fertilizer. HARRIS: And did he tell you what he did, or how long he was there? MANSFIELD: I believe he ran the region, his region. He was a supervisor and product manager. HARRIS: Did he indicate how long he had work for then? MANSFIELD: I believe two years. HARRIS: Now, as you progressed through talking with him, do you kind of start moving into what his activities might have been around the 23rd, 24th? MANSFIELD: Yes, I did. HARRIS: Did it, as part of this conversation, did you talk to him about some purchases that he had made at Big 5? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: What did the defendant tell you had gone on with regards to purchases at Big 5? MANSFIELD: He had indicated that he had purchased a rod and a reel and a two-day fishing license so he could go fishing. HARRIS: Did he tell you where he was going to go fishing? MANSFIELD: He indicated that he was going to the San Francisco Bay. HARRIS: Did you ever ask him, or did he ever comment on whether he had been fishing in The Bay before? MANSFIELD: He indicated he had not. HARRIS: He had not? MANSFIELD: Had not been fishing in the Bay. HARRIS: Did you ask him or talk to him about what had happened, I mean kind of getting right down to what it was, the last thing that he remembered from the 24th, in terms of what the missing person, Laci Peterson, was doing? MANSFIELD: He gave me a very detailed description of activities for himself and Laci in the morning. HARRIS: Let's go through that. What did he tell you Laci was doing on the 24th, in the morning? MANSFIELD: He indicated that she had gotten up around 7:00 o'clock in the morning, that she had breakfast, that she was mopping the floor when he got up, which was about an hour after her. They watched some television. HARRIS: Okay. Let me just back up. The judge wants us to do question and answer here. MANSFIELD: Okay. HARRIS: He said that she was mopping? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: Did he indicate what it was that she was mopping, or was going to mop? MANSFIELD: He probably did. I don't remember exactly what it was. HARRIS: Did he mention what the rest of her plans were, what she was going to do for the rest of the morning? MANSFIELD: He indicated that she was going to walk the dog and then go shopping. HARRIS: When he said she was going to walk the dog, did you ask more specifically what route she was going to take? MANSFIELD: I did, yes. HARRIS: What did he tell you? MANSFIELD: He told me that she would generally walk the dog in the Dry Creek Park area, which is very close to their residence, and that she would take a route that would take her towards the tennis courts, and to do a loop of about a mile, I believe, and come back to the residence. HARRIS: Are you familiar with the Dry Creek area at all? MANSFIELD: I am, yes. HARRIS: At the, at the end of the street where the defendant and Miss Peterson were living, is there an entrance to that park? MANSFIELD: There is a path down to the park. HARRIS: And as you go down the path to that park, would the tennis courts be to your right or to your left? MANSFIELD: I believe it would be to your right. HARRIS: So he said she would go into the park, and she would walk towards the tennis courts? MANSFIELD: Correct. HARRIS: Did he say, when he was telling you this, that she would make, she would take this hoop, if the loop was in the park or outside of the park? MANSFIELD: I believe it's inside the park. GERAGOS: Objection. Non-responsive. JUDGE: Sustained. You don't know where it is, right? MANSFIELD: No, I don't. JUDGE: Okay. What's the basis for your objection? Non-responsive to the question? GERAGOS: Non-responsive to the question, exactly. JUDGE: The question was, again? I'll leave the objection the way it is. Next question. The ruling remains. HARRIS: When he was talking about the route that she was going to take, did he ever say she was going to go out and walk on the surface streets? MANSFIELD: No. HARRIS: He said it was into the park, it was up towards the tennis court, it was kind of about a mile loop that she would take? MANSFIELD: That's what he told me. HARRIS: Did he indicate she was going to take the dog or not? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: Did Mr. Peterson tell you anything about the dog when you were having this conversation with him? MANSFIELD: He told me the dog was protective of his wife. HARRIS: Did he describe that in any way? MANSFIELD: He indicated that he had told the pool man to not get between Laci and the dog. HARRIS: When he was talking to you about what she was doing that particular morning, did he also describe to you what she was wearing, or what was occurring with her at that time? MANSFIELD: He did describe her clothing. HARRIS: What did he say? MANSFIELD: He said she was wearing a black maternity pants a white t-shirt, white tennis shoes. HARRIS: And did he describe anything else in terms of jewelry? MANSFIELD: Yes, he did. He indicated she was wearing a ring and a watch and necklace. HARRIS: Did you ask him what he was doing that morning? MANSFIELD: Yes, I did. HARRIS: And what did he tell you? MANSFIELD: Well, he indicated he got up, had something to eat, decided to go fishing. And pretty much that was it at that point. HARRIS: Then that's when he told you he was going to The Bay? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: When you were asking him about that, did you ask how he actually got where it was that he was going fishing? MANSFIELD: Well, he had indicated to me that he had researched the location on the internet. HARRIS: So he said that I went on the internet, I found this particular place? MANSFIELD: Un-hun, yes. HARRIS: And what place was it that he found? MANSFIELD: It was in the Berkeley area, the marina where he was going to go fishing or launch his boat. HARRIS: Did he tell you if he got a ride from somebody, or if he drove there? Or how did he indicate he got there? MANSFIELD: He indicated he went in his pickup. Picked up his boat and drove to Berkeley. HARRIS: Where did he tell you his boat was at? MANSFIELD: At his warehouse where his business is. HARRIS: Now, after you had gone through what he recalled Laci's activities were and what his activities were for that day, did you start to kind of ask more questions about if there might be some issues with them as a couple? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: Did you specifically ask him whether they were having any marital problems? MANSFIELD: I did. HARRIS: What did you ask him? MANSFIELD: I asked him if there was any problems between them; which he indicated there was not. I asked him also if there were any third parties involved. He indicated there were not on his part, nor his wife. HARRIS: So you specifically asked him about affairs, or girlfriends, or things like that? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: And what did he say? MANSFIELD: He said there were no third parties involved. There was no other person involved with him, or with his wife. HARRIS: Did you ask him if he had any insurance? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: What did he tell you? MANSFIELD: He indicated that he did have life insurance policies, retirement policies. That Laci had a policy. HARRIS: Was it the same policy, or were they separate policies? MANSFIELD: They are separate. HARRIS: So Laci, there was a policy on Laci's life? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: When you were talking to him, did you also ask him in terms of family relations, who persons were that were related to him? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: Did you also do the same with persons that were related to Laci? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: Did you ask about whether Laci was employed? MANSFIELD: I did. HARRIS: And did he inform you that because of her pregnancy she had stopped teaching? MANSFIELD: Yes, he did. Yes. HARRIS: Did he tell you where he taught previously? MANSFIELD: She taught for a Sylvan School District as a substitute teacher. HARRIS: I want to go back a little bit in time. You also asked during the conversation to kind of retrace his steps days before this particular event? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: And so did you go back, looking at your notes on December 21st, 22nd, and the weekend, what he might have been doing? MANSFIELD: Yes. I went back, I think, three days, four days back. HARRIS: Did you ask him something about the Del Rio Country Club? MANSFIELD: I did. HARRIS: What did he tell you about the Del Rio Country Club? MANSFIELD: We told me he was a member of Del Rio Country Club, that his parents had purchased that for him December 2nd, I believe, of 2002. HARRIS: Did he indicate what he did at the club? MANSFIELD: He would work out, and play golf. HARRIS: Did he indicate if Laci ever went with him? MANSFIELD: He never did. HARRIS: On moving on to the next day in your notes, I believe it would be December 22nd. Did you also ask him if he had gone to some kind of some, trying to get you to the point without directing too much. On the 22nd, did you ask about his daily activities? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: And did he indicate if he did some things around the yard? MANSFIELD: Yes, he did. Worked around the yard. HARRIS: Did he indicate if he needed to go someplace to gets supplies? MANSFIELD: He told me that he went to Home Depot to purchase some items. HARRIS: And from your knowledge of the Modesto area, is there a Home Depot in Modesto? MANSFIELD: There is. HARRIS: Did you ask him about whether, because you mentioned he had looked something up on the internet. Did you ask him if he had one or more computers? MANSFIELD: Told me he had a work computer at his office, and a home computer. HARRIS: At some point did you ask him about whether he owned any weapons? MANSFIELD: Yes, I did. HARRIS: Did he indicate to you if he did? MANSFIELD: Yes, he did. He was able to tell me all the weapons that he had. HARRIS: Was there a gun that he reported had previously been stolen? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: Do you remember what weapon that was? MANSFIELD: It was a Glock nine millimeter handgun. HARRIS: Did he mention something about a holster for that particular gun? MANSFIELD: Yes, he did. HARRIS: What did he say he did with the holster? MANSFIELD: He sold the holster on Ebay. HARRIS: Did you get the impression from talking to Mr. Peterson that he used the internet, or used Ebay quite a bit? GERAGOS: Objection. Calls for speculation. JUDGE: Sustained. HARRIS: Do you recall him saying that he had sold something on Ebay? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: And he also told you he used the internet to look up the Berkeley area? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: People have no other questions.
Cross Examination by Mark Geragos GERAGOS: Good morning. MANSFIELD: Good morning. GERAGOS: The interview took place, this would be on Christmas Day? MANSFIELD: Yes, it would. GERAGOS: Approximately what time? MANSFIELD: Approximately 1:30 in the afternoon. GERAGOS: In the afternoon? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: And he voluntarily came down to the, was this at the Modesto Police Department? MANSFIELD: It was at the new office of the Modesto Police Department, yes. GERAGOS: Okay. And this interview, he voluntarily came down to give this interview, correct? MANSFIELD: Yes, he did. GERAGOS: He wasn't under arrest? MANSFIELD: No, he was not. GERAGOS: In fact, he was cooperating. In terms of answering the questions, he came down there, even though it was Christmas Day, even though his wife was missing at that point? MANSFIELD: Very cooperative. GERAGOS: You did not produce a report in connection with this interview, did you? MANSFIELD: I did not. GERAGOS: Okay. I have got what appears to be notes. I'm assuming they are yours. Just hand them to you. And is that your handwriting? MANSFIELD: Yes, sir. GERAGOS: Okay. MANSFIELD: Yes, it is. GERAGOS: These notes, you are taking them down at the time you are interviewing him in the Modesto PD? MANSFIELD: Yes, I am. GERAGOS: You are aware that the Modesto Police Department has the capability to videotape interviews? MANSFIELD: Yes, I am. GERAGOS: This interview apparently was not in a room where you could have videotaped it, correct? MANSFIELD: That's my understanding, yes. GERAGOS: As far as you are aware, there was no videotape of this interview? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: Okay. When you talked to him, you went through a series of questions, and I'm going to go through that if I could in a little bit more detail. If you need to refresh your recollection, I'll walk up with the notes. MANSFIELD: Okay, fine. GERAGOS: You asked him kind of the standard background information, and he gave you his name his, date of birth, where he was born, correct? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: He told you that he grew up in San Diego, right? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: Last time you looked San Diego is pretty close to the Mexican border, isn't it? MANSFIELD: Last time I looked. GERAGOS: Not only went to, he grew up in San Diego, but went to San Diego College? MANSFIELD: I think he went to San Diego University High School. GERAGOS: Was that just, the college, does that refer to something else? MANSFIELD: College is Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo. GERAGOS: Did he tell you he was graduated from high school in San Diego? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He said that his wife was born in Modesto? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: Gone to Cal Poly, they had been married for five years, with no children? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: He told you that he was a manager with the present company, that was Trade Corp, correct? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: He told you his family still lived in San Diego? MANSFIELD: Yes, his mother and father. GERAGOS: He was the only child of the union of his mother and father, correct? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: He told you he had four step brothers who were older, two step sisters that were older? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: He told you, he gave you kind of a history of his wife's familiy as well? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: Told you about brother Brent, and where Brent lived, half sister Amy, half brother Nate, and told you where they were? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: Gave you a complete history of Laci's mother Sharon and her companion Ron? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: Told you also about Laci's father Dennis, gave you some history of Dennis and what his history was? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: He also described Laci to you an outgoing substitute teacher, gave you all that information? MANSFIELD: Yes, he did. GERAGOS: Told you, kind of gave you a run down of who her close friends were. Mentioned Stacey Boyers, Miss Tomlinsons? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: And gave you her, kind of when he would work, when she would work when she was working, correct? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: Okay. Also told you about when, his travel schedule, that he was gone on particular, usually at least one of night a week, something like that? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: Okay. Then he would also tell you that he would go, I guess, to, that he would travel out of state and out of the country, correct? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: And then, I assume, just looking at your notes, correct me if I'm wrong, you asked him, I want to know what your schedule was for the, kind of the days leading up to the 24th. MANSFIELD: What my schedule was? GERAGOS: What his schedule was? MANSFIELD: Oh, as far as work and activity? GERAGOS: Yes. MANSFIELD: Well, that was all, I believe that started with a weekend. GERAGOS: So you wanted to know, starting on December 21st, the weekend, where he had been, correct? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: Okay. MANSFIELD: I want to know, both of them. GERAGOS: From both of them? MANSFIELD: Right. GERAGOS: And he told you that starting on the 21st he had been at the Del Rio Country Club, correct? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: He had worked in the yard? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: And he told you he had joined the country club on December 1st of 2002, correct? MANSFIELD: First or second, one of those days. May be the first. GERAGOS: Just show you what you got in your notes, see if that refreshes your recollection. MANSFIELD: That's fine. GERAGOS: Does that refresh your recollection? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: What's the date that he said? MANSFIELD: December 1st, 2002. GERAGOS: Now, he told you that on December 21st, that was a Saturday, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: At least you had it down in your notes. MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: That he had had dinner in at the residence, he rented movies. They were generally in bed some time by 9:00 or 10:00 o'clock? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: Then he told about the 22nd, which was a Sunday, that he went to Home Depot in the morning? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He worked in the yard, generally, about two hours? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: That he watched football, and he worked around the house, correct? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: Said they had dinner at about 6:00 o'clock, watched movies and TV, went to bed at about ten? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: On the 23rd, he told you that he was, that he worked in the morning and into the afternoon, correct? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: That they had a, that he and Laci had an OB-GYN appointment at 2:45? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: And that doctors appointment he said was good information? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: Good news. There was nothing wrong with the baby? MANSFIELD: Right. All about the baby's health, yes. GERAGOS: Told you there was were no problems, it was a baby boy? MANSFIELD: Un-hun. GERAGOS: And then after that, he went over to Del Rio and worked out? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: And then came back at about 5:00 o'clock; is that correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: And at that point, did it look like he had, that Laci had gone to a yoga appointment? MANSFIELD: Maternity yoga. GERAGOS: Maternity yoga. He told you that was over in McHenry Village? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: He also described the cars that they had, correct? MANSFIELD: Yes, he did. GERAGOS: Then he told you that he had gone to Big 5 Sporting Goods Store, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He told you he bought a fishing pole, right? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: And spinning reel? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: He said he never fished in The Bay, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He told you he purchased two weeks before a twelve-foot aluminum boat? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: And that the, that the boat had never been used prior to that? MANSFIELD: He had never used it. GERAGOS: He had never used it. MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: You asked him about computers. He said there were two computers, a work computer and a home computer? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: Said the home computer was generally used by Laci? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: He told you they purchased the house in Modesto some time in October of 2000? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: Now, Monday evening he told you that they had watched movies, that Amy had told them it's time for a haircut? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: You understood Amy to be a half sister of Laci? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He and his wife, he purchased, they purchased pizza, he went home? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: Now, he specifically described what you wanted, obviously, to know, specifically what happened on the morning of the 24th? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: He told you that she usually, and that morning was no different. She usually got up at about seven, and she would eat breakfast, correct? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: And she would watch the Today Show? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: He would get up generally about 8:00 o'clock, get out of bed at eight? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: He decided to go fishing that morning, correct? MANSFIELD: That's what he told me, yes. GERAGOS: He said that Laci's plans were going to walk the dog and go shopping, correct? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: She wanted to walk the dog in the park, the Dry Creek Park? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: You asked him specifically where does she walk the dog in the park? MANSFIELD: That's right. GERAGOS: And, now, there is a, you are somewhat familiar with this area? MANSFIELD: Yes, somewhat. GERAGOS: There is a path that leads into the park, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He said that she would generally go down there, correct? MANSFIELD: Down the path. GERAGOS: Half the time he said he would walk with her? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: She would walk towards the tennis courts which are over by the parking lot, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: So if you were walking in that direction, clearly a car or vehicle would have access, or could get access to, by where the tennis courts are, because there is a parking lot? MANSFIELD: Because there is a parking lot. GERAGOS: She would walk over there, and that that generally took her about 45 minutes? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: And he said the dog was protective of her? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: That's when you mentioned that the, he mentioned, Scott mentioned the comment about the pool guy, that the dog would get between her and the pool guy? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: So that if anybody would approach her, you would generally assume the dog would be barking. MANSFIELD: Be protective, yes. GERAGOS: Be protective. He told you there was a housekeeper that came about bi-weekly. Had been there the day before, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He told you that she had watched Martha Stewart, correct? MANSFIELD: I think he indicated they had watched Martha Stewart. GERAGOS: Did you ask him specifically if he remembered seeing anything or hearing anything about meringue on Marcia Stewart? MANSFIELD: I did not. GERAGOS: Did Detective Grogan? MANSFIELD: Not to my knowledge. GERAGOS: Who was doing most of the questioning during this 41ine 1 interview? MANSFIELD: I was. GERAGOS: Then he says he left some time around 9:30, right? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: And he was approximate on that? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: And he said he was in his pickup, and he drove to the office on Emerald and Kansas, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He said he checked his e-mail for messages, right? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: He told you he put together a tool; is that correct? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: He said that tool was a mortiser? MANSFIELD: He did. I didn't put it in the my report, but that's what he mentioned. GERAGOS: It's not in your notes, but he mentioned to you? MANSFIELD: Mortiser yes. GERAGOS: Put together a mortiser. He thinks that he was at the warehouse for about an hour? MANSFIELD: Approximately, yes. GERAGOS: And cleaned up his office, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He unloaded tools from his box? MANSFIELD: Uh-huh. GERAGOS: And that you understood that to be the green box in the back of the pickup truck? MANSFIELD: I did. GERAGOS: And when he, after unloading tools from the box, you asked him, did you talk to Laci? And he said he did not. MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: He said he left the office shortly after 11:00 o'clock, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He never spoke to Laci that morning after he left the house? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: He went, specifically told you how he got to The Bay, correct? MANSFIELD: Yes, he did. GERAGOS: Told you that he went out to the 132 highway, correct? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: That he looked up the location on the internet, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He is the one who brought that to your attention? MANSFIELD: Yes, he was. GERAGOS: You didn't ask him, you didn't suggest, did you go on to the internet. He told you that, right? MANSFIELD: These are his, all his information. GERAGOS: Okay. You were trying to get the information from him as opposed to being suggestive; is that correct? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: Part of the technique they teach you at the Department of Justice, don't put words in their mouth, let them talk, right? MANSFIELD: That's right. GERAGOS: And specifically he told you, after he had looked up this location on the internet, he told you that there was some traffic that had slowed down, correct? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: Told you that he had made the transfer from 580 to 680? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He ended up on 80 North, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He said he approached, or got to this location at about 1:00 o'clock? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: That he said it was, the term like Iron Ranger. Iron Ranger. Is that one of those little boxes that they have placed where you put the money? MANSFIELD: I believe that's, GERAGOS: That's what you understood him to refer to? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: That he placed five bucks in there, correct? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: Okay. That he had two rods with him, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: You understood that to be fishing rods? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: And he had a tackle box? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: You understood that to be a fishing tackle box? MANSFIELD: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. GERAGOS: No ice chest, correct? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: And then he told you that he went north towards an island, correct? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: That he was out approximately one hour? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He told you basically what he was doing out there is to get the boat into the water, that he had discovered after an hour that there were no problems with the boat, correct? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: And he said, he told you specifically that it was a used boat? MANSFIELD: He did. GERAGOS: Okay. He gave you the name of the person that he bought it from? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: Told you that that person's name was also Peterson? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: One of the reasons he took the boat out was also to put it in the water so he could determine whether or not it was working, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He told you that the, that he had had some problems when backing up the trailer, correct? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: Okay. And that these problems involved, I guess, not getting it in, or hitting something to some degree? MANSFIELD: He indicated that he had bumped the dock trying to back it into the water. GERAGOS: Then he told you that he had hooked the, put the boat back on the trailer, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: And that he called home at about 2:15? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: And that they didn't have, he didn't an answer, correct? Didn't get an answer? MANSFIELD: Didn't get an answer. GERAGOS: And that they had, that he had planned to meet her back home at around 4:00 o'clock? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: He hit traffic in, somewhere, he told you, in Pleasanton and Livermore, right? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: Told you that he had stopped at a Chevron station, right? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: And that he got back some time, he thought, between 4:30 and 4:45, correct? MANSFIELD: I think he believed, he told me that he returned to his office around 4:30. GERAGOS: That's right. I'm sorry. Looking at your notes, it's like you put 4:30, office, then 4:45, home? MANSFIELD: Right. GERAGOS: Then he had called a second time, correct? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: And he had only been at the warehouse a short period of, long enough to just put the boat into the warehouse? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: Now, when he drove home, he walk, he told you he walked into the door, walked to the kitchen, right? MANSFIELD: Right. GERAGOS: Okay. Dumped the bucket, put his clothing into the washer, right? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He said they were wet, and that's why he put them in there, right? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He listened to the messages, right? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: He told you he generally washes his own clothes? MANSFIELD: He told me he generally washed his clothes two to three times a week because of work products. GERAGOS: Okay. What did you understand that to mean? MANSFIELD: I felt that was what he, the product that he worked on with Trade Corp. GERAGOS: Fertilizer? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: You might not want to have a bunch of fertilizer on your clothes hanging in your bedroom or in the hamper? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: Now, he told you that the leash was on the dog? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: He says he generally goes through the backyard, drove up, and he saw the mail, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: And dumped the water after he obtained the mail? MANSFIELD: I think he dumped the water then obtained the mail. GERAGOS: Okay. After dumping water obtained mail, was that? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: Did you ask him what the mail was? MANSFIELD: I did not. GERAGOS: You asked him if they yelled at each other, and he said not. They didn't yell at each other? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: They had a budget, correct? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: You wanted to know those kinds of things to see if there were any financial pressures? MANSFIELD: That's true. GERAGOS: Okay. At this point, is it fair to say that you were looking at him as a potential suspect? MANSFIELD: No, I wasn't looking at him has a suspect. He is the husband of a missing person, and, as such, we have to verify what his activities were and her activities. He being the last person, to our knowledge, to see her. GERAGOS: When you are talking about finances, budget, and insurance, what's that? Why are you doing that? MANSFIELD: There may be something there that created her disappearance. I'm looking for anything that may have created that. GERAGOS: He told you that she had been shopping for the holidays over the past six months, correct? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: And that generally they were eating at home? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: And that she wanted the country club and the boat for him, correct? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: Now, on the 25th of December, he told you that the life insurance was a whole life policy, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: And that they had it for over two years, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: They bought it when they bought the house, or about the same time as then, because the house, MANSFIELD: I don't remember that. GERAGOS: Did you have the, you understood at the time that he had told you that the house was purchased in October of 2000? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: That was about two years before this? MANSFIELD: Approximately. GERAGOS: Okay. Did you make a connection that the insurance was purchased at about the time that they closed on the house? MANSFIELD: I did not. I believe that he told me that the insurance policy was paid by his corporation, or they paid him money to have an insurance policy. GERAGOS: Okay. He told you that Laci had a policy right? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: He told you specifically who the person was, and gave the phone number for the person who provided the insurance. Guy by the name of Brian Ullrich, U-l-l-r-i-c-h? MANSFIELD: That is correct yes. GERAGOS: Told you he didn't know what the amounts were, correct? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: He said he would pay the bills, correct? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: He told you Laci had just received some jewelry from an estate, correct? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: He generally plays golf with his male friends, correct? MANSFIELD: That is right. GERAGOS: And that specifically he had that day. You guys went back and forth. He then came back to, in this discussion you asked him, what did you do when you, after you got home and realized she wasn't at the house, basically? MANSFIELD: I did. GERAGOS: He said he called the mother, meaning, you understood that to be Sharon Rocha? MANSFIELD: I did. GERAGOS: He said he went and checked with the neighbors across the street? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He talked to a lady, specifically told you who that lady was, Amy, correct? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: She told him she saw the Christmas lights turn on before they arrived home? MANSFIELD: We before he arrived home? GERAGOS: Before he arrived home. MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: He left a note for the other neighbor on the other side? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: He said he then took the dog and walked down to the park the way that they always walked, correct? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: He stopped a runner, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: To ask if that person had seen anything? MANSFIELD: Right. GERAGOS: He then said he saw Zack. And you understand that to be a relative of Laci's? MANSFIELD: I did. GERAGOS: He saw his mother-in-law. You understood that to to be Sharon? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: And he thinks that that was about 5:45? MANSFIELD: That's approximately what he thought. GERAGOS: He says some time after that the officers arrived? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: Then you asked him about his activities for the week prior. I think you started off when we were, for the jury, with the 21st, which is Saturday, leading up to the Tuesday. Then you asked him, okay, now, let's go back a little farther and tell me about the week before. You started talking about Carmel. MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: Then he told you that the week prior that they had met his parents in Carmel and stayed at a hotel there? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: And then he told you that they had also traveled in August to an another location, correct? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: And that in May they had been to Hawaii? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He told you no problems with others, no problems with wife, and that he had never had a fight in his life? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: Okay. You didn't put anywhere in here, specifically, that you asked him about an affair, or third parties, did you, in your notes? MANSFIELD: What I'm saying problems with others, that's, I asked him very specifically third parties. GERAGOS: Okay. Did you write that down anywhere in your report? MANSFIELD: No, I didn't. GERAGOS: Now, the, you asked him about his relationship with his family? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: And what he said was that they are in San Diego, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: And you knew that to be where he grew up? MANSFIELD: I did. GERAGOS: He said the relationship with his family was good? MANSFIELD: Right. GERAGOS: That his dad hunts with him two to four times a year? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: That they also go fishing and hunting for birds, correct? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: You asked him specifically about his weapons, correct? MANSFIELD: I did. GERAGOS: Gave you a laundry list of his weapon he's had, or ever had, basically, didn't he? MANSFIELD: Yes, he did. GERAGOS: You wrote down, I mean down to the brand. Browning, Ruger, Ruger, Mossberg, et cetera, et cetera. Nine millimeter Glock. It's more than, virtually, almost one third of the page, your notes, every weapon he's ever owned. MANSFIELD: Those are the weapons he told me about. GERAGOS: Then you asked him when Ron and Sharon were last inside the residence, correct? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: And about the housekeeper, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: And then you talked to him about, or he told you about the neighbor. He found out that the neighbor Karen Servas put the dog away, correct? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: He said Laci was wearing jewelry when she left the residence, correct? MANSFIELD: Earrings, watch, ring, necklace. GERAGOS: Okay. And he told you that she was having various rings fixed, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: And he said the work was being done in McHenry Village. He didn't even know who the jewelry store was. MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He said that the last three weeks she's been working with the jeweler, which was a big deal with her, this jewelry. MANSFIELD: Having this ring made, yes. GERAGOS: Having the ring made. The wedding ring? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He told you that the door, when he got home, was unlocked, correct? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: And that she never took her purse when she walked, correct? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: And that she had, he said there was various clothes. Black pants, white t-shirt, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: Also jacket unknown. MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He said that he had purchased a wallet and diamond ring, correct? MANSFIELD: He had done that for her for Christmas. GERAGOS: And that then he mentioned something about the, that he had been in the country club for a year? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: Now, you then moved on and started talking about the walking in the area, correct? MANSFIELD: I believe so. GERAGOS: And you did some drawings as well? MANSFIELD: A link analysis for friends, relatives. GERAGOS: Now, he said that there is a lot of transients that walk in that area, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: Okay. And he told you that they had a problem, that he and Laci had had a problem just two months before with some ID theft, correct? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: And that Laci had concerns about the homeless down there, transients? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: And you asked her, or him, about prior boyfriends of Laci and prior girlfriends of him? MANSFIELD: I did. GERAGOS: And then you went back to talking about the transients down in the bark. MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: And he says they will, generally they would yell at them and tell them to leave, correct? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: And they would tell them to move on, and they will, or they will call the police, basically? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: He said Laci didn't have problems until about fairly recently; isn't that correct? Right before she went missing? That she had concerns because somebody had told her about rape and sexual assaults in the park? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: And that she wanted him, I can't, unfortunately the copy is hard to read. Does that say? MANSFIELD: She wanted him to carry pepper spray. GERAGOS: And that's because she was now concerned because she had heard that there had been rapes and sexual assaults down there? MANSFIELD: That's what he indicated to me. GERAGOS: You then checked criminal history, and he said Scott says no criminal history, no juvenile history? MANSFIELD: That's correct. GERAGOS: Okay. He told you when he was out of the country, correct? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: Gave you the dates? MANSFIELD: He did. GERAGOS: And said that generally he and Laci wanted to return to the San Luis Obispo area in the very near future. That's kind of what they were planning on doing? MANSFIELD: Their plan was to return to San Luis Obispo. GERAGOS: Then you had him do kind of an asset, a little asset and liability balance sheet, financial statement? MANSFIELD: Financial statement, yeah. GERAGOS: So you took both what assets they had, correct? MANSFIELD: Money that they had coming in. GERAGOS: And then what their expenses were? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: Wanted to see if they are were living within their means, or not? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: Then asked him for who his friends were, correct? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: Okay. And he gave you some names there. MANSFIELD: Yes, he did. GERAGOS: Okay. Then you did a timeline, correct? MANSFIELD: That is correct. GERAGOS: Okay. And he gave you all the information that you put into the timeline, correct? MANSFIELD: He did. GERAGOS: How long was this interview all together? MANSFIELD: It was less than three hours. About two hours forty-five minutes. GERAGOS: And all of this was done in the police station roughly, then, between 1:30 and maybe 4:00 to 4:15? MANSFIELD: 4:15, yes. GERAGOS: Okay. And he was, you indicated, very cooperative throughout? MANSFIELD: Yes, he was. GERAGOS: And after that, did you, where did you next go, if, did you leave the station? MANSFIELD: I went home. GERAGOS: You went home. Did you, MANSFIELD: Well, I'm sorry. I debriefed with Detective Grogan and then left. GERAGOS: Okay. So Scott left the location without you? MANSFIELD: Yes. I didn't, I left. He was probably still there, I think. GERAGOS: Still at the police station? MANSFIELD: I think he was still at the police station. I went to a different location. The detective division at that time was at a different building. So we debriefed at the Detective Division. So it was completely away from the main police department. GERAGOS: Okay. At some point, did you, strike that. May I have just a, moment your Honor? JUDGE: Yes. GERAGOS: I have no further questions, your Honor.
Redirect Examination by David Harris HARRIS: Mr. Mansfield, I apologize. I'm going to jump around a little bit here. Going back to one of the first things that you were asked. This particular room where you had this conversation with Mr. Peterson, you indicated was not a video room. At least there is no videotape as far as you are aware? MANSFIELD: As far as I'm aware, yes. HARRIS: Now, the time that you did this interview, you were there with Detective Grogan; is that correct? MANSFIELD: That is correct. HARRIS: And counsel asked you if you wrote a report. You indicated that you didn't. MANSFIELD: I did not. HARRIS: Are you aware that Detective Grogan wrote a report? MANSFIELD: I'm aware that he did, yes. HARRIS: In fact, after you had debriefed with him and he wrote the report, did you get a chance to look at it? MANSFIELD: I looked at it briefly, yes. HARRIS: Did you attempt to make sure that it was accurate, based on what you recall? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: So you were aware that there was a report generated from this conversation you had with the defendant? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: Now, you are, just to go back to one of these last things counsel was asking you about, Mr. Peterson is relating to you what Laci's concerns were about going to the park? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: So I want to go specifically through that. And he was saying that she was concerned because apparently she had heard, or told, according to the defendant, about rape or sexual assaults in the park? MANSFIELD: That's what Mr. Peterson told me. HARRIS: And there was a mention about wanting him to carry pepper spray? MANSFIELD: Correct. HARRIS: Did he tell you where she had pepper spray according to wheels in your notes? MANSFIELD: She kept it in her purse. HARRIS: In her purse? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: That's the purse that the defendant had told you earlier in the interview that she never took when she walked to that park? MANSFIELD: That's correct. HARRIS: Now, to go back through this a little bit. He was asking you about some of the financial stuff, kind of spreadsheet? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: To go through that, that's on page ten of your notes. Do you recall specifically the amounts that he was telling you? MANSFIELD: Well, not specifically. HARRIS: If I was to show you your notes, would that help refresh your recollection what he specifically told you? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: Tell you what. Let me present you page ten of your notes, just go through that real briefly. Did he tell you if he was making a house payment? MANSFIELD: Yes, he did. HARRIS: What was his house payment? MANSFIELD: 1250. HARRIS: Now, that value of housing in Modesto, is that a little bit different than it is over here in the Bay Area, if you are aware? MANSFIELD: I would assume it is, yes. HARRIS: Did he say what, if he had a vehicle payment that he was making? MANSFIELD: He had a pickup payment of 650. HARRIS: 1250 for the house, 600 for the pickup? MANSFIELD: Correct. HARRIS: Did he indicate if he had any credit cards? MANSFIELD: He had credit cards approximately 750. HARRIS: And going down the list, the next item that you have there? MANSFIELD: Utilities, I believe. It was utilities, 150. Home improvements that he set aside, 500. 600 for food. 390 for the country club. 300 on his retirement, which, HARRIS: Let me stop you there for a second. Earlier you told us that his parents had purchased this membership for him? MANSFIELD: Correct. HARRIS: So that the payment that you are talking about there, that's in addition to the kind of membership that he had to pay? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: All right. After that 390 for country club. MANSFIELD: 300 on his retirement, which was paid also by his corporation. 240 for insurance, which was also paid by the corporation to him. His cell phone, $50. Essentially it. HARRIS: What did he say he was making as a gross per month? MANSFIELD: Well, he was making 5,000 per month and then 300 for retirement, three hundred for insurance. And then he received a vehicle mileage of 1400. HARRIS: What was that for? MANSFIELD: Travel. HARRIS: Did he indicate how much he was making per mile? MANSFIELD: 35 cent per mile. HARRIS: So the $1,400 that he is getting for this vehicle, is that based on his actual mileage, they just kind of gave him the lump sum. GERAGOS: Objection. Calls for speculation. JUDGE: If he knows. Overruled. You can answer that. MANSFIELD: I believe he was paid per mile. And he gave me an amount of 1400 a month. HARRIS: Did he tell you who would calculate the mileage and wrote the checks out? MANSFIELD: He did not. HARRIS: Now, you were asked about the insurance kind of in that same financial area. You are being asked about if the defendant had told you that he took out this insurance at the same time as the house purchase. Just back through that.When did the defendant tell you that this house had been purchased? MANSFIELD: November of 2000, I think, something like that. HARRIS: Did he tell you when, specifically when it was that the insurance had been taken out? MANSFIELD: He did not. HARRIS: Told you that the person that you should talk to that would know about that would be this Mr. Ullrich? MANSFIELD: That's correct. HARRIS: You were asked some questions about the boat. And I'm going to go through this kind of in reverse order that you were asked, so I apologize to you. I have to jump around in your notes.Counsel asked you if the defendant had said something about the defendant had a problem when he was backing up his trailer. That's the part that I want to talk about.Did he indicate to you, from looking at your notes, since they were taken chronologically, that he had already been, already been out, he was trying to pick up the boat, that this happened when backed into the dock? MANSFIELD: I believe he said when he was backing the trailer down to the water, which meant that he was going to pick up the boat. HARRIS: So that was at the end of this outing that he had? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: With regards to that, you were also asked about the boat; that counsel said the defendant, in a sense, basically told you he just wanted to get both in the water to see if it worked? MANSFIELD: Correct. HARRIS: Do you recall the defendant specifically saying that to you, or that's just kind of the gist of the conversation? MANSFIELD: I remember him telling me he wanted to try the boat. He wanted to make sure there was nothing wrong with it. HARRIS: He wanted to try that particular boat. And he tells you that he takes that route that you already asked about, driving out 132 from Modesto, getting to 580, to 680, up to 80, going to the Berkeley Marina, about roughly 90miles away, just to put the boat in that water? Is that what you recall him telling you? MANSFIELD: That's, yes. HARRIS: Now, you were asked about the sequence of events that occurred at the shop that morning. So he told you all the things he does at the shop that he, did he tell you that he checked his e-mails when he gets to the shop? MANSFIELD: Yes, he did. HARRIS: Did he indicate to you that, you were asked about that machine that he was working, some tool that he put together? MANSFIELD: Correct. HARRIS: So he did some things at the shop? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: Did he ever tell you before he left to go these 90 miles to Berkeley that he called his pregnant wife? MANSFIELD: He did not. HARRIS: Did he tell you that did he not talk to her that morning? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: Now, in the sequence when you were talking about when he came back, you were asked about that, going the step-by-step. The defendant tells you that he came back, he went to the shop first. MANSFIELD: Correct. HARRIS: Did he indicate that he tried to call Laci again? MANSFIELD: I believe he indicated that he tried call her as he was leaving the shop. HARRIS: Got no answer? MANSFIELD: Got no answer. HARRIS: He goes home, he tells you that he finds the dog's leash on? MANSFIELD: Correct. HARRIS: The doors unlocked? MANSFIELD: Correct. HARRIS: Laci's purse is where it always was. Do you recall him telling you that? MANSFIELD: I don't remember him telling me that. HARRIS: And he tells you that he does things around the house for a period of time before he then decides to call one of the relatives to find out if Laci is there? MANSFIELD: Correct. HARRIS: That's what he, what he told you that particular day? MANSFIELD: Yes. HARRIS: I have no further questions.
Recross Examination by Mark Geragos GERAGOS: The expenses that Mr., HARRIS: I'll leave the notes up here with the witness. GERAGOS: I'm sorry, what? JUDGE: He left page 10 with the witness. GERAGOS: You have page 10 there? MANSFIELD: Yes, I do. GERAGOS: Good. Looks like his expenses were about 3600 a month? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: Okay. Out of that, looked like 300 of it was paid by the corporation, right? MANSFIELD: Looks like 540 also paid by the corporation. GERAGOS: So, in actuality, his expenses are about 3,000 a month? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: His income is 5,000 base, plus a 1400. So he's got $6,400, roughly, if you wash out the payments that are made by the corporation? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: So he's got roughly disposable income, after all of his expenses, of how much? MANSFIELD: You would have approximately, he would have approximately 2,300. GERAGOS: $2,300 a month? MANSFIELD: Correct. GERAGOS: And the, specifically the analysis you did right there shows he was living within his means, based upon the expenses he gave you? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: This is nothing untoward about that. He wasn't somebody who looked like they were running a deficit each month, correct? MANSFIELD: No. GERAGOS: In fact, that looks like they were doing pretty good, doesn't it? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: One thing I found in some of the notes of Detective Grogan, I didn't see them in yours, was that on the 22nd, which would have been Sunday, that he told you he was working on the nursery. Do you remember that? MANSFIELD: I believe he did. GERAGOS: Okay. And that, did he also tell you that he had left some of the fishing lures in the truck when he went out into The Bay? MANSFIELD: Yes, he did. GERAGOS: Did he tell you that he had taken the tackle box out with him? MANSFIELD: Yes. GERAGOS: Did he also tell that when he had gone to the OB-GYN on the 23rd with Laci that they went there together, he told you Conner's heart rate was 150? MANSFIELD: He may have. I have no recollection of that. GERAGOS: Okay. When did you review the report that was prepared by Detective Grogan? MANSFIELD: Probably two or three weeks after the interview. I don't know specifically. GERAGOS: It wasn't done right then and there? MANSFIELD: No. GERAGOS: And you didn't have a, you didn't tape record this interview, did you? MANSFIELD: No, I did not, no. GERAGOS: As far as you know, Grogan did not tape record this interview, did he? MANSFIELD: Not to my knowledge. GERAGOS: Okay. So the, what we have got, our best recreation of this was the three of you were in that room, and your notes? MANSFIELD: Right. And tried to take very copious notes. GERAGOS: Thank you. I have no further questions. JUDGE: May this witness be excused? HARRIS: No objection. JUDGE: Mr. Mansfield, thank you very much. |